Hello Group,

I just wanted to add to the open discussion by saying I am a Virgo who is on the cusp of Libra. I've always been a little jealous of what I like to call--"true Virgo's" because I am on the cusp. I've always claimed Virgo because many of my traits are more Virgo than anything else, and maybe also because I've spent most of my life enhancing the (Virgo) qualities within me, but I have to say this: The more I became interested in Astrology, I've learned there are many aspects to who I actually am. My ascendant is Gemini, My moon is in Leo, My mars is in Taurus, and of course, let's not forget my Venus--which is Scorpio. As I've studied my charts I do find myself in all these signs based on where they are positioned in my chart. I always read my horoscope or the notable characterisitcs of Virgo and I never felt that I quite fit the entire description. I have to also say ---how limiting it is to only have 12 signs in the zodiac and all the billions of people who live on this earth whose personalities can all be summed up within these 12 signs, so it only makes since that the many different aspects do contribute to how different we all really are. The time and where we're born, and of course, being the practical Virgo--we also have to consider genetics, and how our life experiences shape who we are and who we become. I look at Astrology as a way to help me develop into the person I truly am and the person I woud like to become.

After saying all that, because I am a Virgo with a Gemini rising--I am very analytical and very perceptive. I remember thinking as a kid that I often pick up on things--very minute things that no one else picks up on---that's the Virgo side of me, but I have always been very curious about people and I like to know what makes people click. I am also very critical and in arguments I can say very harsh things, can be cold and downright mean! Yet on the other hand I am very compassionate and always try to find ways to help others who seem incapable of helping themselves. I think it's a hard place to be being a Virgo with Gemini rising because this position tends to make me an indecisive person, because I take too much time trying to look at all sides, and though I figure all sides down to a science it makes it hard to decide. I have many interests and talents, and do very well at anything I set my mind to achieve. I'm also very unconventional and know there's more than one way to handle things and the way to handle those things may not be the standard way. All the other aspects in my chart makes me a very complex person--as with us all, but there are many contradictions to me. I never fit into any one category and cannot be simply defined. Because I am on the cusp of Libra I have a very hard time dealing with all the contradictions because I have a strong need for balance and everything to be in place. I'm almost always in a state of chaos because I'm such a detailed oriented person who strives for structure and organization, but because I am all over the place--it's hard to strike the balance and to maintain organization

Let's not even talk about how passionate and possessive (Leo/Scorpio) I am over all that is mine---from what I own to who I love, and because my temperment is that of the bull (Taurus) it really makes me at times an unreasonable person who often believes I'm always right, can always do it better, who at times think I am better, can be somewhat arrogant, stubborn when it comes to what I want that it makes me hard to deal with and live with. I can be overly self-absorbed, but also very self-reflective---can you tell?!?!?! Somehow all these aspects created this person who at times have unrealistic expectations of myself and of others. But when it boils down to it--from its very description I am truly the Virgin and all that calm, cool, sweet and collected facade that is quintessential Virgo you see, but is definitely not at all what you get. I can be overly subservient and do not mind letting someone else shine, but I can become a tyrant if my simple sacrifices to stand behind the scenes are not acknowledged by those I ALLOW to be in the front.

Does any of this make sense?