Vgo77 if you're that kind of person you shouldn't have gotten married in the first place.

Being younger than him... you think that gives you the right to cheat? Because he ''got the better deal'' and cheating only makes you ''even''?

Funny how you say you're ''best friends'' and you still cheat on him. Disgusting, to me.

About aquarius, do absolutely nothing. They fall for their closest friend anyway, unless they're seeing someone already of course.

Hey all

ICrabYou I don't think an apparent lack of passion from a single person means that Virgo and Cancer are not compatible like that... as a matter of fact the person that's made my heart burn with passion the most was a Cancer. But I do admit that Virgos are hard to get to open up emotionally, and to lose themselves in emotion. I don't agree with Vgo77 that virgos hate emotion. I love emotion... I love it when someone can stir my emotions... but first they need to work on them, like melting solid chocolate - otherwise you can't stir it

If Virgo (hm... or most people, I think? But maybe for Virgo it's more intense?) is

not with a person he feels truly turned on by, he probably can't release the fire inside (Not that I know much about this, I haven't had sex - but well, I think the same thing applies with making out? Forgive me if it does not.).

If one can't release the fire inside, then one has to rely on technique, and naturally I assume things would become more robotic? One more time, I apologize if I'm saying something stupid (although I hope I am not xD).

J, I had no computer for this whole week, but now you have a giant wall of text which I sent you, waiting to be read and replied to

'Preemptive excuses' that's an interesting term, J! I think I know exactly what you mean, but I've always thought of this as trying to make sure that if I end up in a relationship with someone, they really like me the way I am.

Sadly no one's made it through the wall yet. xD (I still like the same person, as you know :s)

(Food for thought: Probably the same reason we say we're no good at something we do when we're so-so, and the reason we say we're ''decent'' when we're good at something. - Same reason that can lead a man to say he's a bad kisser, or that he's not good at being romantic.)

Hey J!

Admittedly I haven't been following the thread... but reading a few pages back, I did realize your co-worker's birthday is Aug 24th??

Same as mine!

I have a 24th August uncle(father's side) as well... and my grandparents(mother's side) married on 24th August too!

Anyway, would like to use this opportunity to send a hug to the people in this thread (especially ABB and VS) ^^

Ok VS... I'm still taking her the Pasteis de Belem today tho

I just can't brag about going there unless I make it clear that I didn't forget about her Plus, I already told her I would have a surprise for her on sunday (today)..

Hey coolkharma, since no one said it, i am going to ask (probably the question doesnt make sense but still): Your friend who told you the V person had said those things has no interest in you thinking he said them, correct? If not correct, then are you absolutely sure he/she does not know about you and V person?

Anyway update on current status of cancer girl and me (J, I'm just summarizing, its no new development):

Problems here, problems there, but we're still friends... just friends though.

Am going to take her some pastry tomorrow when I go back to university (I'm in Lisbon, came here to visit my grandparents this weekend). After that, on monday I intend to wish her good luck with a test(Neurology) and after the test ask how it went. On wednesday, same with her anatomy test. Maybe on tuesday ask how her study is coming along.

But other than those things (which might be too much already, since other than whatever text message I might send, we see each other in classes every monday, tuesday and wednesday) to show that I care.. I intend to keep some distance. For both my mental sanity, and because I don't want her to feel like she will always have me as a backup plan.

Also, I thought her anatomy test was last wednesday... so I told her: ''I couldn't find you a 4 leaf clover... so, well, I dressed in green.'' - but then she told me it wasn't that day :s I felt a bit stupid, but who cares - I bet it was funny nonetheless.

This next wednesday I wanted to give her some 4-leaf-clover shaped thing... I have some colored pencils at home, so if all else failed and I can't find a 4 leaf real clover, or a clover-shaped pin, I could just draw a big one, in an A3 sheet, and color it. I can give it to her in class too. But there's a chance she will skip, to have more time to study. In that case I could even ring on her doorbell to give her whatever it is I decide to give her. Wonder if that's too much? Wouldn't take much of her time, just 2minutes.

Guyfriend don't bully VS. She is free to write what she wants, when she wants.

There's no point in thinking 1 year ahead of time, each time you write something. You write based on what you feel at a certain moment.

Also, I don't mean to be unpleasant, but could you not write in caps all the time? It does hurt my eyes.

Also VS thanks for the compliment! I'll accept 2 parts of it.... the 'devotion' part, and the 'indecisive' part I do consider myself pretty devoted. And I'm also indecisive... but NOT when it comes to love - When I like someone, it's only them. More like when my friends ask me whether I'll have dinner at home, or come with them to McDonalds

Or ''Will you go to the 8AM class tomorrow?'', or... ''I have 2 birthday parties - which one to go to?''

About aries... one of R's best friends (Y, I believe - don't remember completely the letters I gave to each of them) is an Aries, and she's a really amazing person - very wise even though she's only 22. I have the utmost respect for her. (Perhaps she's a bit too radical in some decisions or opinions, but still.)

On the other hand the Ex-BF(is he an EX? I think so, but they have broken up more times than I can bother remembering xD) of X was an Aries. He was way violent. And jealous. If any guy so much as looked at X, he'd threaten them with physical agression.

Never threatened me though. He never told me this, nor did X... I learned through R, since X told R, and R told me. He didn't feel like I was a threat, because according to him I was a loser.

So yeah there's aries I don't like, as well

And you, like X seem like a very wise woman

(Well, defenitely wiser, because of a longer life experience, but you know what I mean!)

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Also J, sent you some messages!

I say just shoot any male individual who happens to be born between 23 August and 22 September.

Or send them to forced labor.

After all, they'd only end up hurting people, wrecking marriages, and not knowing what to do with their life.

Or being sent to jail - Jails are full enough as it is, of people eating for free. The state doesn't need any more bloodsuckers.

Turns off irony switch

Sure, Virgos can have some flaws.

But I don't believe that's all they have.

And I don't believe other signs are so much better.

I did have a laugh at Guyfriend's post, but then I was shocked to see everyone agreeing.

Even I did agree with some of the things (Critical, Controlling, Negative, Selfabsorbed, Plays the victim, Secretive) but.... SERIOUSLY?

Racists? OCD? Secret psychopaths? Frigid cold-blooded serial-killing escapists who have no emotions, chase exclusively married women and lack s*xual skills?

One can rightly wonder - What is the writer smoking?

xD Virgirl that's funny I was just reading the horoscope you posted, and thinking ''oh... ok.'' - I might have been being overly romantic, this week!!

You know, each moment I'm thinking ''I have to do my best. Less than that is less than she deserves.'' - Would the ''best'' be to do nothing? lol

At the very least I want to show her that I care.

I'm talking to R normally now, it seems...

At the cafeteria, yesterday, I got her some of her favourite chocolate biscuits (she was at home studying, and I figured there was a chance she might not eat properly, with an exam coming up today). It was only 60 cents!! And I gave her those in the afternoon.

Later, X wanted to go to schedule a hour at the hairdresser, and asked me to come along so she wouldn't go alone. I went with her, and then when we were done, we went past some cafés, and I didnt feel like going home yet so I asked ''Wanna have coffee?''. At that time, when I was about to sit, R called. I asked if she wanted to come as well, but she said she had already had coffee alone awhile ago, and didnt know we were going to have coffee (Well, we didn't know either.. I just decided suddenly.) - and that she was going to go home and study.

So when I was chatting with X... I see R coming at the end of the street. My face lit up with a smile, not sure if she saw it with the distance eheh.

So my coffee came with a little heart-shaped cookie.

I gave it to R, of course. She didn't refuse, so I was happy with that. Did she realize the meaning? I think so. Not completely sure, of course.

We talked a bit more at night - It was a colleague's birthday (Y - another very close friend of R).

R called me, and told me she was thinking of what to write on Y's birthday message. And we talked some more...just chit-chat but I was quite happy with the fact that she called me..

I was so euphoric that I called a friend of mine (also friends with R, since theyre similar in many aspects - B, 9th July Cancer - same week as R, who is 7th July).

I called just to randomly chat... sometimes it just bores me to be alone at home.

But when I mentioned it was Y's bday, she offered to quickly make a chocolate cake and we'd go to say happy bday at midnight (in about 30mins). I called R, she said she was in, so I called B back while R called X, and 30mins later we went there (of course I -the only male individual- carried the cake xD).

1hour later we went back home... and that was it. A good day

VS, I think you misuderstood something I said... It's true that those kind of stories are scary, but by no means am I (at least, consciously) afraid of real people/relationships.

I feel like reading such stories (of unhappy marriages and then people leaving the marriage when they find someone else) polelutes my mind into thinking relationships are bound to be like that.

I don't want this to happen with me... sure, it may seem like an intellectually entertaining approach, to always look for someone ''better'', but if I want my spouse (and I'll accept it if you tell me I'm not making any sense, as I have no experience in this field) to be faithful to me, then I will also be faithful. Why not spend time thinking about how our spouse is great, and how we can overcome the problems in our relationship... instead of thinking how the next-door neighbor has a certain quality our spouse lacks.

If I have a stable marriage (or relationship, doesn't have to be a marriage), where both me and my wife are willing to make things work, then even if we're going through hard times (emotionally, mentally, or even financially) I'm not going to run away with the florist that's been winking at me.

*Sidenote: Have talked to R, on the phone. I was the one who called. She picked the phone up and I said ''uh... hi''(I didnt know what to say lol). She said hi and I said ''so... uh... how are you?'' and we continued the conversation. Kept things light, I did not mention or ask about the problems, and did not mention or ask about things between us.

She didn't seem mad. I am unsure whether this was her being nice, or whether she was trying to hurt me with indifference.

Today, she went with her parents to the north of portugal, so I texted her asking ''so are you in the north yet?'' and she replied ''we're going to have lunch in coimbra :p''

I replied ''I see, what you really want is «Bifes de perú com cogumelos e arroz queimado»!'' (Turkey with mushrooms and burned rice) which I made for her once, when she said she was hungry -had a class until 8pm- and asked me to cook something for her... I burned the rice a little but it was tasty nonetheless according to her.

This was at around midday, so considering its 8pm I doubt she will reply to the text still. She usually replies fast, so maybe she doesn't want too much closeness.. I'm not sure..

Also, after quite a while (not sure how long exactly) I grabbed my Rider-Waite deck from the shelf, and had a shot at a doing a reading for myself.

Tried to keep emotions away while drawing the cards.

Beforehand, asked the deck to give me clear signs, so I would come to the right conclusions.

Then I defined the reading.

[1] [2] [3] ---- [4]

1: Past

2: Present

3: Future

4: Clarify the reading

Here's what I got:

1 - Justice

2 - Five of Pentacles

3 - Judgement

4 - King of Swords

Justice... not sure, but doesn't seem unfitting. I'm using some website to help me with the meanings when I'm not sure.

But of course, I have an idea of what the card means from the name or the image - That's why Rider-Waite is popular

Fairness, and trying to do what's right, and acting on ethical principles.

We've always tried to be sincere with each other, I think? Sure I messed up this time, but overall I always try to be true to my feelings with her.

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5 of pentacles... the ''The bad times are here, but they will pass'' card.

Seems right also? These are bad times, for sure.

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Judgement... not sure? The end of conflict, perhaps? Am not very familiar with this card.

Could it be the end of things between us? Or a new beginning?

Where I'm reading, this card seems to have an association with Justice

''deciding, accepting past mistakes/actions''

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King of Swords seems to reinforce the meaning of the Justice/Judgement duo... since it seems to be an intellectual, analytical, just and rational card.

Any of you ladies care to comment?