Hanswolfgang, may I bother you with a question pls?
It is a sad story Hans but true indeed. Most of us live flat lives, worshipping materialism or living from day to day without real purpose and those who are trying to live different lives, to bring some meaning into their lives don't fit and are thought to be strange.
I have some more questions to you if you don't mind. I don't get what you mean by saying: 'Because others follow you like fish on a line. The tide turns as he brings order from the chaos.' Can you explain it to me please?
Now I know without any doubt he does not love me, he never has in fact. Does he love any other woman?
What does he think of me?
If we met in our pevious lives as you said when was that? Will we ever meet again in this life, later in the future and one more question: will we ever meet again in our future lives if any?
'Because others follow you like fish on a line. The tide turns as he brings order from the chaos.' Can you explain it to me please? Your star of hope pools your energy and gives you direction.
Does he love any other woman? Yes.
What does he think of me? As well-behaved good girl.
If we met in our pevious lives as you said when was that? When all old concepts were outdated.
Will we ever meet again in this life, later in the future and one more question: will we ever meet again in our future lives if any? No.
When Osho applied for the government service as a
teacher in the university -- this was his way and has
always been his way -- he simply went to the education
minister and told him, "This is my application; these
are my qualifications. If you want to ask anything, any
interview, I am ready."
He looked at Osho -- a strange type of behavior! An
application has to come through the proper channel. He
said, "Your application has to come through the proper
Osho said, "This is the direct channel; there cannot be
a more proper channel than this! I am the applicant,
you are the person who has to receive it -- face to
face, man to man. I don't believe in any other
And he said, "For an interview some date has to be
Osho said, "You are sitting here, I am here -- start the
interview! Why are you wasting your time and my time?
If you don't have any questions and you cannot
interview me right now, I can interview you."
He looked at the application. He said, "And where is
the character certificate?"
Osho said, "I have never come across a person whom I can
give a character certificate; how can I ask him to give
me a character certificate? You tell me."
He said, "Strange! You never came across a person in
your life from whom you can take a character
Osho said, "No. I cannot give them character
certificates. There are hundreds of people who would
like to give me a character certificate, but I don't
care about their character certificates; they don't
have any character."
He said, "You think in strange ways, but I have to
function according to the rules and regulations: a
character certificate is a must. It should go with the
application; otherwise I will be at fault."
So Osho said, "Okay, give me a paper and I will write a
He said, "You will write a character certificate for
Osho said, "No, I will write a true copy of a character
certificate from the head of my department, S.K.
He said, "This seems to be very strange. You don't
have the original. How can you write the true copy?"
Osho said, "I will get the exact original and I will
send you the original too so you can see that I have
not deceived you." And I wrote a true copy of the
original certificate which did not exist at all! And I
made two copies: one I gave to him, and I said, "One I
have to take to S.K. Saxena to make an original copy
out of it."
He said, "This seems to be a very complicated affair!
Please send me the original so I can figure out whether
Saxena is willing to say..."
Osho said, "Don't be worried."
Osho went to Saxena. He told him, "Write an original
character certificate exactly like the true copy; this
is the true copy."
He said, "From where did you get the true copy?"
Osho said, "I have written it myself, but I have not
written anything that you will find difficult to write
He looked at the true copy and he said, "I would have
written a thousandfold better certificate for you."
Osho said, "I have written the minimum so you cannot say
that I am exaggerating or anything."
He said, "But I feel sorry that I will have to sign
it... that you have made this whole thing already."
So he made the original and he said, "I will remember
it my whole life -- this is the first time that the
original is made after the true copy!" And Osho sent the
original to the minister.
Two years later he was not the minister and they met in
a train. Osho asked, "Were you satisfied with the original
He said, "Strange -- word for word! How did you
Osho said, "Saxena was very angry with me. He would have
given me a really beautiful certificate, the best he
has ever written, but now there was no way -- I had
already given the true copy, so he simply wrote it and
sent it to you."
The minister said, "Since that time I have been
thinking about you often, that without any interview,
without any character certificate, without any proper
channel being used for the application... how did you
manage to get an appointment from me? I am not such a
soft person or so gullible."
When he gave Osho the appointment he had said, "It will
reach by post."
Osho said, "There is no need; you give it to me. I am
here. You will send it by post to my address -- three
days are wasted unnecessarily. You give it to me here
right now; I am present."
He said, "I used to think again and again that
perhaps I was hypnotized -- or what could have happened
-- because this is not the way." And that was true.
When Osho reached the college to which he was appointed
and he presented himself to the principal he said, "But
this has been issued only just yesterday! How did you
get it so soon? -- because through the post it will
reach you in three days." He suspected; he thought
there is something strange: it has just been signed
yesterday, and the next day Osho presented it -- and it was
a distance of one thousand miles from the capital to
So he said, "I will have to phone the minister;
please forgive me."
Osho said, "There is no problem; you phone. And I am
sitting here if there is anything..."
He phoned the minister and the minister said, "Yes,
it has happened. I don't know how it happened. I should
not have done it, but he simply made it so clear and so
authoritative that I had to give it to him. And I knew
I am so hoping for clarity and some comfort in disconnecting with one I love, but cannot love anymore. He and I only cause each other pain and would dearly like to release each other - why am I having so much trouble releasing and being released?
why am I having so much trouble releasing and being released? because you are concentrating yourself on all that what frustrates you, what disappointed you, instead of turning around for a new love just waiting for you.
A respectable old man heard that his only son had
started visiting brothels. One evening the old
gentleman got word that the boy was in that area of the
town which was full of houses of ill repute, and, eager
to get him back into the sanctity of his home before
the family name was irretrievably ruined, he dashed
downtown to find him. Charging along at full steam,
distracted and angry, he was accosted by a lady of the
evening popping out of her doorway.
"Hi, pop," she carolled pleasantly. "Are you looking
for a naughty little girl?"
Unthinkingly he replied, "No, I'm looking for a
naughty little boy."
The girl recoiled in horror and exclaimed, "You nasty
Hello again Hans,
He wasn't even in love with me, was he? I have built myself an illusory world and lived in it for such a long time. You make it all clearer and clearer to me and I know I want to know even if it is hurtful.
Is the woman he loves her? is it K or S or maybe somebody else?
He wasn't even in love with me, was he? No.
Is the woman he loves her? No.
is it K or S or maybe somebody else? no.
So remember that, this has to be completely wiped out – this possibility of guilt and condemnation. Accept – if somebody escapes, if somebody comes back, okay; welcome him and keep the doors open.
Thanks Hans - I've had that realization in moments... I've been self-centered in my grieving despair... I think what you say is right on. Much gratitude.
Well the last reading i had from you was on another thread. And you told me that there was going to be a death in my family, you hit it on the noes.i lose my only brother on April 1, 2010, your answers to me really open my eyes. I have a question for you if you would please answer for me. "what do you see for me now, in my love life, realationship, and who is in love with me now? IS IT p or K? MY DOB IS 8-9-1957.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH
yes you cannot force anyone to love you nor can you make anyone stay if he wants to leave. I have always known that it would happen and i've been trying to prepare myself but can you really be prepared? For a moment when I realised I mean so little to him I didn't want to see him any more but it didn't last long. I am trying to understand him, even though it is not as i wish it was or would be, he has been my best friend and he deserves being treated like one. And whatever comes I will accept it.
You told me before that I should be honest, sincere to him. Do you mean I should tell him I know?
the question about the woman he loves is still nagging me. Is it somebody he left behind in his country? Is it somebody from the country where we live now?
ordinarily you think that life and death are
contraries. No, death and love are the contraries. Now
it is going to be a great strain on death. I have not given anything to you,
there is nothing to give. You have already got it.
what do you see for me now, in my love life, realationship: you are uncontented in your love life, your relationships, looking at your frustrations, but turn around, a new love is now just behind you.
and who is in love with me now? IS IT p or K? p.
Somebody asked Ramakrishna, 'Have you got any proof
of love?' Ramakrishna said, 'Look into my eyes, that's
all. There is no other proof. If I am the proof, then
okay; otherwise there is no other proof.' A lover
cannot give any other proof, he cannot argue. It is a
superb madness but immensely fulfilling.
but can you really be prepared? yes.
Do you mean I should tell him I know? Yes.
Is it somebody he left behind in his country? No.
Is it somebody from the country where we live now? No.
Kowalski is returning home from a morning's hunting,
with his shotgun in one hand and his hunting bag slung
over his shoulder.
His friend, Slobovski, sees him across the road and
calls out, "Hi, Kowalski! Been hunting?"
"That's right," replies Kowalski. "Been hunting ducks."
"Far out!" says Slobovski. "How many did you get?"
"Well," replies Kowalski, "if you can guess how many
ducks I've got in my bag -- I'll give you them both!"
"Ah!" says Slobovski, scratching his head. "Three?"
The other day this was your reply to my original questions:
I wonder what your insight is on holding out for John? There is no personal power.
or pursuing another love interest Vince? Being afraid of new ways, holding on to the past and the security.
Will I be able to get a good career from this? No.
All these love interests are to shatter you. They shatter you
but you go on holding. So now two opposing forces start
working in you. The love interest gives you an insight to help
you fall apart. That which is going to fall apart is
not really you; it is just the structure around you. It
is your mind, your ego, your personality. The love interest
hammers on the personality so that you can be released
from it; the personality is the prison. The love tries
to hammer from everywhere, to find loop-holes through
which it can enter you and destroy the personality. But
you go on holding it.
I was wondering what you meant by "no personal power"? Is it that I don't have a chance to ever be myself with John? or do you mean by saying this that our relationship has no power to move forward as a unified power?
Also, I was wondering if you can tell me what I am holding on to? My pride? My past? I am a bit perplexed...
The last thing I want to clarify with your kind permission, is will there be a career that I will find that I can pay my student loans back with, or will I be a stay at home Mom with a college education?
Love and Light,
I was wondering what you meant by "no personal power"? He is driven by his mind neglecting his energy.
Is it that I don't have a chance to ever be myself with John? no.
or do you mean by saying this that our relationship has no power to move forward as a unified power? no.
You asked me about John, so this refers to him.
what I am holding on to? to your high rising ego, but it will fall down.
My pride? Yes.
My past? No.
will there be a career that I will find that I can pay my student loans back with, or will I be a stay at home Mom with a college education? there will be a career, where you will stay at home, that you can pay your student loans back with.
One piece starts falling; you hold it, you clutch it,
you cling to it; then you are in a difficulty. That's
why you are feeling sad, that's why you are feeling
frightened and that's why you are feeling cut off.
Because your whole energy is involved in holding those
parts, how can you relate to people? You don't have any
more energy to relate with. You can relate only when
you are at ease inside yourself. When somebody's house
is on fire, how can he relate?
Thank you for your clarification! I send you warm blessings and light to re-energize you so you may continue your work!
Have a blessed day,
THANK YOU FOR THE READING, IT MAKE A LOT OF SINCE NOW. But PHILIP HAS BEEN ACTING KIND OF not interested in me at all, he isn't into me at all. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW IS HE CHEATING ON ME AGAIN? HE DOESN'T EVEN LOOK AT ME IN THE EYES ANY MORE.
THANK YOU GOD BLESS
Thank you UnicornMustang,
THE IMPERISHABLE SOUND,
IS THE SEED OF ALL THAT EXISTS.
THE PAST, THE PRESENT, THE FUTURE,
-- ALL ARE BUT THE UNFOLDING OF AUM.
IS HE CHEATING ON ME AGAIN? NO.
Somebody asked Buddha, "When you die will you go to
Buddha said, "Don't ask nonsense questions. Wherever
a buddha is there is heaven. Buddhas don't go to
heaven; wherever a buddha goes, heaven goes there."
you say that I can be prepared for his leaving. Is there anything else that I can do? if so, what else can I do to be fully prepared? And who is the woman he loves?
Is there anything else that I can do? No.
if so, what else can I do to be fully prepared? You can be ashamed.
And who is the woman he loves? Just because there is a woman he makes love with does not mean that he loves this or any other woman.
There is much great insight possible through it... but it is only a beginning. And you have fallen into the very ancient trap: now you think that this is the end; that´s where things go wrong.