Second opinion tarot reading!
"....and we believe that what
we like is done by God -- that God is serving us. The
thing we dislike is done by Satan ..." -- simply that.
hans your words are written so clearly and you have described so precisely the role of man using God and Satan.
somehow reading your entire note makes me want to cry. Thank you for sharing.
in oneness and sweet dreams.
Thank you znl,
but that much intelligence is very rare. People are
stupid and stubborn, they immediately react. Rather
than rising higher and taking the challenge of the peak,
they destroy every man with that understanding
so that they can again fall asleep and dream their
so-called sweet dreams.
P.S.: what is and has been the center of "getting away" with things without a form of justice, that was your question last time, and now you answered it yourself: "in oneness". Easy to write, difficult to understand. But just that is this mysterious "center". Who can get away with things against whom, if there is really oneness?
but, we have nine hours of time difference and so when I write back to you it is really wishing you a wonderful sleep and so i childishly call it "sweet dreams'
And, if every body understood and was at the same level of how things are then we will be in heaven. Or you and I would not be having these conversations. You the teacher and me the tootie. :_) ok. so now I still do not know if there is a "justice in this world" and so if yes then how does it work. I do know for a fact that strong win and the weak lose. ( I have seen that over and over).
The other thing that I can see is to look at their life those who harmed and did the wrong thing if their life is worth it all and if what they have/how they are living their life is so nice and pretty or is it just blaahhh. Of course, at this point I would be making a personal judgement.
this oneness should be with everyone and accepting /giving what goes with it. so now at this point you are almost awake 7 am and so good morning and I wish you a wonderful day.
Thank you znl,
there is no justice in this world, but there is oneness. With oneness there can be no justice, because the judge is the accused and the complainant. But oneness is probably to difficult to understand.
So I try it now the other way round:
Nobody is stopped by punishment, but society goes on
thinking that it is because the wrong has to be stopped
that we punish. Both are wrong: society has some other
reason -- it takes revenge. And the criminal, he also
understands -- because egos understand each other's
language very easily, howsoever unconscious -- the
criminal also thinks, "Okay, I will take revenge when
my time comes, I will see." Then a conflict exists
between the criminal's ego and society's ego.
Is God the same? -- just like a justice, a
magistrate, just like a father or a boss? Is God also
cruel in the same way as society is? Is God also the
same deep down, an egoist as we are? Will he take
revenge if you disobey? Will he punish you? Then he is
no longer divine, then he is just an ordinary man like
This is one of the profoundest problems: how will God
behave with a sinner who has gone astray? Will he be
kind? Then there are other things implied. And if he
wants to be just, he cannot have compassion, because
justice and compassion cannot exist together.
Compassion means unconditional forgiveness, but it is
not just, because it is possible.... A saint prayed
continuously his whole life, never did anything wrong;
was always afraid of moving beyond the boundary, lived
in his own confinement, created an imprisonment for
himself; never did anything wrong, remained virtuous
his whole life; never allowed himself any enjoyment of
the senses, was very austere. And then there was
another man who lived, indulged, did whatsoever came to
his mind; went wherever his senses led him, enjoyed
whatsoever the world gave; did all types of things, all
types of sins -- and then both reached the divine, both
reached God's world.
What will happen? If the saint is not rewarded and
the sinner is not punished, it will be very unjust. If
both are rewarded, that too will be unjust, because the
saint will think: "I have lived a good life, but
nothing special is given to me for it." If the sinner
is also rewarded in the same way, then what is the use
of being a saint? The whole thing becomes futile. Then
God may be compassionate, but he is not just.
If he is just, then the arithmetic will be clear in
our minds: the sinner has to be punished, the saint has
to be rewarded. But then he cannot have compassion -- a
just man has to be cruel because otherwise justice
cannot be done. A just man has to live in the head, not
in the heart.
A magistrate should not have a heart, otherwise his
justice will waver. He should not have any kindness in
him, because kindness will become a barrier to doing
justice. A man who is just must become like a computer,
just a head: laws, rewards, punishments -- no heart
enters into it, no feeling should be allowed. He should
remain a spectator, unfeeling, as if there is no heart
in him. But then a difficult problem arises, because
for centuries we have been saying that God is both just
and compassionate; kind, loving, and yet just. Then it
is a contradiction, a paradox -- how to solve it?
Jesus has one answer, and the most beautiful. Now try
to understand his answer. It will be difficult because
it will go against all your preconceptions, against all
your prejudices, because Jesus is not a believer in
punishment. Nobody like Jesus can be a believer in
punishment, because deep down punishment is revenge. A
Buddha, a Krishna, a Jesus, they cannot believe in
punishment. Rather, on the contrary, they can drop the
very quality of justice from God. But compassion cannot
be dropped, because justice is a human ideal,
compassion is divine. Justice has conditions attached
to it: "Do this and you will achieve this. Don't do
that, otherwise you will miss this." Compassion has no
God is compassionate. And to understand his
compassion we have to start from the sinner.
JESUS SAID: THE KINGDOM IS LIKE A SHEPHERD WHO HAD
ONE HUNDRED SHEEP. ONE OF THEM WENT ASTRAY, WHICH
WAS THE LARGEST. HE LEFT BEHIND THE NINETY-NINE,
HE SOUGHT FOR THE ONE UNTIL HE FOUND IT. HAVING
TIRED HIMSELF OUT, HE SAID TO THE SHEEP: I LOVE
THEE MORE THAN THE NINETY-NINE.
Absurd, illogical -- but true. Try to understand:
It is always so -- the one who goes astray is always
the best. If you are a mother and you have five
children, only the best child will try to resist and
deny you, only the best child will assert himself. The
mediocre ones will always yield to you, but the one who
is not mediocre will rebel, because the very quality of
his mind is rebellious. Intelligence is rebellious: the
more intelligent, the more rebellious. And those who
are not rebellious, who are yea-sayers, are almost
dead; you may like them, but they have no life in them.
They follow you not because they love you, they follow
you because they are weak, they are afraid, they cannot
stand alone, they cannot stand against -- they are
Look around: people whom you think are good are
almost always those who are weak. Their goodness does
not come out of their strength, it comes out of their
weakness. They are good because they cannot dare to be
bad. But what type of goodness is this which comes out
of weakness? Goodness must come out of overflowing
strength, only then is it good, because then it has
life, a floodlike life.
I cannot write any words to convery thank you and gratitude for your time and for your care. I do get this and what you mean. I understand the message here and I agree. Thank you.
getting away from the idea of there being a "GOD", compassionate or just or revengeful etc then we are left with the fact that there is no "payback". We can decide which side we wanna be. Compassionate and unconditional forgiveness or if possible and when society can interfere then maybe have justice.
I say we live by the law of Tao and in that cannot go wrong by living the best life we can live. I hope that I can be strong enough in my heart and mind to overcome and to stay well no matter what. I am dealt with in life. In following your heart you may get hurt but will sleep well at night knowing you did no wrong or at least knowingly.. Not perfect but w total compassion and carefree a little too.
a German is orderly -- even chaos is strictly organized.
really...hmmm - big smile
"-- even chaos is strictly organized. "
but somehow "that is comforting".. organized.
Hans and thank you for clearing it up and sharing that waiting for the mysterious wrath to hit (him/it/her) is not gonna happen. so I might as well let it GO. humphhh
Have you watched some strange things like this? You
are sitting on a railway platform and you tell some
stranger who is sitting by your side, "Please, just
take a little care of my luggage; I am going to
purchase a ticket. " You don' t know the man, he is an
absolute stranger, you have never seen him before. You
are leaving your suitcases, all your money, all your
things in the hands of an unknown stranger. Who knows?
he may escape with the whole thing, but it never
happens. Why does it never happen? -- because of trust.
How can that man deceive you? You trusted him, an
unknown stranger. There was no need to trust him: you
don't have any proof of his honesty, of his character,
you know nothing about him -- but it never happens.
If you are watching your luggage, he may steal
something -- that is possible -- but if you leave your
luggage to him and go to purchase a ticket, it is
impossible. What makes it impossible? Trust has its own
power. Trust has its own energy, its own vibe. The very
gesture that you trusted him makes it impossible, he
cannot deceive you.
That means, when people deceive you, it is not only
their fault. You are also at fault. You must be
carrying mistrust in you -- they got the vibe. If trust
prevents them from deceiving you, then your mistrust
about people must be creating an atmosphere in which
deceiving becomes easier for them.
let me see. i think I have to admit that I have participated in straneg things like this!!
Sometimes you are all trust until it is broken. and the discussions like this are so tough to write about and especially if it touches you at a personal level. when there is not the prior mistrust to create the future mistrust, when all there is includes trust, comfort and love then why should you have mistrust. It does not even crosses your mind. some times you have too much trust. It is even possible to not even think about trust or mistrust becuase is it even necessary. why have the seed in your mind at all.
So the basic, the very basic, teaching of Tao is to
be in a state of non-being,
a state of no-self. Empty, a deep nothingness, nobody
inside... then you really are. But then you are not:
the whole is. The moment you start thinking about
yourself as a separate individual the part is claiming
to be the whole; the part has gone mad. The ego is the
only insane thing in the world. The ego is neurosis,
and anybody who suffers from the ego suffers from
neurosis, because he thinks as if the part were the
whole. The part is not the whole. If a leaf in the tree
starts thinking 'I am', then the leaf has gone mad. The
tree is and the leaf exists only as a part, an organic
part, of the tree. Even to conceive of the leaf as
separate is impossible. The tree is flowing in it. It
is the tree's energy that has become the leaf. If a
wave in the ocean thinks 'I am separate: I am', then
the wave has gone mad. The ocean is. All waves are
nothing but the ocean waving.
[,,,,,So the basic, the very basic, teaching of Tao is to
be in a state of non-being,
a state of no-self. Empty, a deep nothingness, nobody
How can you accomplish that living in the world when you cannot withdraw from daily grind? one leaf par of the tree and one wave when ocean is but all waves. accepting all that
How can you accomplish that living in the world when you cannot withdraw from daily grind? Instead of being dominated by male emotions rejoice in your sincerity.
Make up your mind to do this and for half an hour
every day concentrate on diverting your life-force to
your inner being. If you make up your mind to dive, to
drown in yourself, and you withdraw your energies from
the outside you will achieve what you wish. But this
requires consistent, daily practice. Then you will find
that your energy, your life-force has begun to move
inward. You will feel that the physical body has
relinquished its hold on you and that it is quite
separate from you.
ok, so I have been resisting doing this etc practice. not making it into what maybe considered my daily routine. It has been stressing me this "resistance" of mine (mind of course). I can no longer ignore not doing this
btw, wishing you a wonderful weekend hans and thank you for so gently share with me again and for reminding me again too.
Thank you znl,
unless you drop your ambitions, you cannot be at peace
and you cannot be silent and you cannot relax --
because in a competitive world where you are not the
only one who is trying to become successful, if you are relaxing and others are not
relaxing, you have lost the game. Those who are
able to remain tense and go on rushing, speeding, who
are almost mad, will not even stop to rest unless they
have reached to the very peak.
This is very
difficult. You cannot drop the ambition, you have come so
far -- now the goal is only two steps away. Once you have
reached the goal, you will renounce politics and you will
sit and meditate, and do whatsoever I say.
But before that, if you can have a little peace of mind,
a little silence in the heart, a little relaxation, you
can compete more efficiently.
But, ---- that is a
So so true.
Maybe there is the ambition and then there is necessity. One pushing you forward to supposedly "succeed" and the other well you just have to based on "need" to maintain and live.
The key maybe is in what you wrote:"if you can have a little peace of mind,a little silence in the heart, a little relaxation, you
can compete more efficiently."
Thank you and wish your Sunday was wonderful.
Thank you znl,
the key is in what I wrote: "but that is a contradiction"!!!
You are not yet aware, but you can become aware. Be a simple, ordinary human being.
I knew you did not leave "contradiction" as a last word and in the beginning of a whole new line for nothing!!! : )
Is it to always wanting more? Is it like duality in something.. is it in the nature of the beast..