Second opinion tarot reading!



  • You know hans that process of 'letting go" is the most difficult part. I know what I am talking about 🙂 letting go of some of those beliefs. Not so much some but a few.

    btw, "spot on", THIS coming from you is a real, real compliment master hans. I should bow out of this thread while, while I am 'right" j/k (i have a goofy sense of humor u know) and happy to have it.

    🙂 goodnite for now..and in oneness.



  • znl,

    God is not a concept, not a thought. He is not the

    settlement of an argument, not an outcome of the mind.

    God is truth. Thinking isn't relevant -- you have to

    see. By thinking you will only wander. You have to open

    your eyes, but if they are filled with thoughts and

    concepts, they will remain sightless. Only eyes without

    thoughts enable you to see.



  • Hi hans, very true all that and well like from the other thread, thinking also creates anxiety and pain. so, I know what you mean. thank you.



  • znl,

    when you move into solitude you are moving to the

    thread; when you move into solitude, you are moving

    into nature. If you are really alone, not even thinking

    of others, you will feel the world of nature around you

    for the first time. You will become attuned to it.

    Right now you are attuned to society. If you fall from

    this attunement to society, you will be attuned to

    nature. When the rains come -- they are always coming

    but you cannot understand the language of the rains --

    they don't say anything to you, they don't mean

    anything to you; at the most some utilitarian thing

    about water being needed is realized. So there is some

    use, but you don't have any dialogue, you cannot

    understand the language of the rains, the rain has no

    personality for you. But if you leave society for a

    time and remain in aloneness, you will start feeling a

    new phenomenon: the rains will come and they will talk

    to you. Then you will feel their moods -- some day the

    rain is very angry and some day it is very soothing and

    loving. Some day the whole sky is depressed, and some

    day it is dancing. Some day the sun rises as if without

    any will of its own, forced, doing the work; and some

    day on its own -- now it is not a work but a play.



  • Evocative. 🙂 Thank you.

    I have read many beautifully put writings of yours but this one is in a class by itself.

    "But if you leave society for a

    time and remain in aloneness, you will start feeling a

    new phenomenon: the rains will come and they will talk

    to you."

    If I should be sooo lucky and privileged..

    that there is the key and message in your note and the rest is beautifully written poetry.

    thank you.



  • It happened in America: a poor man ... his wife was

    dying, and he had no money to purchase medicine or call

    a doctor, or have her admitted to a hospital.

    In desperation he thought of a great idea: "Why not

    write a letter to God, just for fifty dollars, not

    much. And for a God who is almighty, omnipotent --

    everywhere present, omnipresent; omniscient, knowing

    everything, past, present, future -- he must know that

    my wife is dying and I need fifty dollars right now."

    So he wrote a small card saying, "You know

    everything, you are all-knowing; I don't have to say it

    to you. I need fifty dollars for my wife who is almost

    on the verge of death. Send it to me by telegram."

    But then he was at a loss: What is the address of

    God? That he had completely forgotten in his anxiety

    and misery. When he turned over the postcard, the

    address had to be written.

    He said, "My God! Nobody knows his address. Whom to

    ask? When you don't know the address, the only way is

    to send it `Care of the Postmaster General.'" So he

    wrote: "To God the Almighty, c/o Postmaster General of

    America."

    The letter reached the Postmaster General. He read

    it, and he said, "What an innocent man, and what great

    trust! Because he does not know the address, he has

    sent it care of me. I don't know the address of God

    myself!"

    I don't think anybody has ever known his address.

    Before he went on holiday after creating the world in

    six days, he did not leave any address with Adam and

    Eve: "Go on giving it to your children, from generation

    to generation. They will know where God is, and

    whenever it is needed you can write." He simply

    disappeared. Nothing has been heard about him since

    then.

    So the Postmaster General asked all his colleagues,

    "Why shouldn't we collect fifty dollars and send them

    to this poor man?" So they made a collection, but they

    could manage to collect only forty-five dollars, not

    fifty. So he said, "Even forty-five will be helpful

    right now." He immediately sent it by telegram.

    The poor man received the telegram and the forty-five

    dollars. He looked up towards heaven and he said,

    "Almighty God, next time don't send it through the

    Postmaster General! That son-of-a-bitch has taken his

    commission -- five dollars! Send it to me directly! You

    are present everywhere, why not hand it to me directly?

    If you don't want to do it face to face, you can drop

    it on my roof very easily. It is not a problem for you.

    You have created the whole world, you can create fifty

    dollars, although they will be fake!" But there was no

    reply.

    So again he wrote another letter, thanking God: "You

    have sent me fifty dollars, but that son-of-a-bitch,

    the Postmaster General of America, has taken his

    commission, five dollars, from a poor man whose wife is

    dying!"

    And again it had to be sent "Care of the Postmaster

    General of America."

    When the Postmaster General received this letter, he

    said, "My God! We helped him with forty-five dollars

    and he is calling me a son-of-bitch!"



  • 🙂 hmmm now I understand this even more "....I don't think anybody has ever known his address.

    Before he went on holiday after creating the world in

    six days, he did not leave any address ...." and this "Nothing has been heard about him since

    then."

    I watched the "OSHO: God is Not a Solution - But a Problem (A) " 🙂 thank you for sharing and pointing out the essence and the truth without beating around the bush. 🙂



  • The first step towards the realization of your infinite potential, is to recognize that up to now you have been wasting your life, that up to now you have remained utterly unconscious. Start becoming conscious; that is the only way to arrive.



  • I have had a clue 😉 sometimes and for a long time.

    What would be the most essential part of "becoming conscienous" ?

    wishing you the most wonderful wkend.



  • Thank you znl.

    What would be the most essential part of "becoming conscienous" ? Is this a mixture of conscious and conscientious? The latter is the poor substitute for the first. So do not peddle the sorrows. Do not nourish the grief and do not sustain your being distressed.

    The more you think, the more you are creating waves and ripples in the mind. The real thing for the blind man to do is not to think about light but to heal his eyes, for the deaf man, not to reflect on music but to go through some alchemical processes which can make him hear.



  • hi hans,

    so very true. I guess take care of the root cause. So, being conscious allows you to avoid pitfall? Is it more like recognizing the problem or is it more for dealing with it.

    the thinking can be very annoying and at times not constructive..



  • being conscious allows you to avoid pitfall? no.

    It is more like recognizing the problem.

    And life is vast enough to have contradictions as complementaries. Life cannot exist without contradictions.



  • dear hans, Just wondering if there is a system of checks and balances in this world? I do not mean that in any of traditional religion sense or good and bad. Kind of like what we read the universe etc getting involved in how things go or run.

    I can appreciate contradictions and such and as complementaries.



  • Just wondering if there is a system of checks and balances in this world? Yes.

    The professional money raiser called upon Mulla

    Nasrudin. "I am seeking contributions for a worthy

    charity," he said. "Our goal is $100,000 and a

    well-known philanthropist has already donated a quarter

    of that."

    "WONDERFUL," said Nasrudin. "AND I WILL GIVE YOU

    ANOTHER QUARTER. HAVE YOU GOT CHANGE FOR A DOLLAR?"



  • 🙂 being simple makes your life simple and wise to live. maybe this is the message of mullah. 🙂


    Just wondering if there is a system of checks and balances in this world? Yes.

    dear hans, How would you explain this to me so that I understand the truth of it and how it works, how it is?

    You have been so generous with me and I thank you.



  • This represents the friendly reception of things that have nothing to do with your truth, but I will try:

    In this universe there is a law, an inner discipline. There are no exceptions under that law.

    Whatever you do, you will have to endure its fruit. If

    this understanding goes deeper in you, you will have to

    change your way of living and your actions. It is a

    truth. And if this truth becomes clear it will be good

    for the society. For how long have you been preaching

    this to each other, but the society does not seem to be

    changing. On the contrary sins are increasing, because

    we are aware of the loophole, that there is a way out.

    If I commit a sin, the house of sin does not only have

    a door of entry but a door of exit as well. It is

    possible to get out as well; one need not be too afraid

    to enter.

    Meditation means that, from within, one is now in

    complete harmony with the ultimate law of life. The

    word Lao Tzu has used for it is beautiful. He calls it

    Tao. Tao means the law. Or the name given by the Vedic

    seers is also appropriate. They call it rit. Rit means

    the law. Similarly, dharma also means the law. Dharma

    means your inner nature, the law. Dharma means: if you

    act according to the law, you will attain happiness.

    adharma, an unrighteous act, is that which would go

    against the law and cause you unhappiness. This is the

    principle of inner science.

    Your whole emphasis should be finding the center of the cyclone the emptiness that is between you and existence and the eternal nothingness.



  • There is such deep meaning and hidden treasure within what you wrote that reading does not justify understanding. Wow hans. every sentence is a lesson here. If I had to summarize which you will forgive me if i am wrong then;

    It is all a personal responsiblity of choices of wanting to be "better" and living by the unspoken laws of universe or Tao or dharma. So, your own happiness (your making) is what makes it finally a pay back or not through your actions.

    [adharma, an unrighteous act, is that which would go

    against the law and cause you unhappiness. This is the

    principle of inner science.

    Your whole emphasis should be finding the center of the cyclone the emptiness that is between you and existence and the eternal nothingness. ]

    If I am slightly close to understanding what you wrote here then there is not really a cause/effect but your own happiness or not is what may mean something to you or to the whole collective beings/universe around you.

    With gratitude to share your wisdom.



  • Yes, znl, we have learned to devalue our happiness. But our feeling of wellness, relaxation, happiness is our inbuild sensor for being on your way, for being right, for being in harmony with Tao.

    But you are told, "Sacrifice your happiness. This is your responsibility towards

    the nation." Now, the nation is a fiction. There are no

    nations in the world as far as nature is concerned,

    existence is concerned. All your maps are just

    meaningless and a better humanity is going to burn them

    all, because all the boundaries that discriminate

    against any part of humanity are ugly, insane.



  • Hello hans. happy weekend to you.

    If the persuit/purpose/aim of man is to be happy and that happiness is different for everyone and how to get that happiness then getting your happiness can be at the expenes of others. So, if you get what you and are happy you may have causes harm, pain etc to others and sometimes damage to the whole society. You can continue being "happy" and getting what you want without any retribution or consequence to you. Your selfishness/wrong doings is at the expenses of others but you at no personal consequences to you. Is this not right and what is and has been the center of "getting away" with things without a form of justice.



  • Thank you znl,

    Is this not right: yes.

    and what is and has been the center of "getting away" with things without a form of justice: the closed heart. What I am saying is simply that the unconscious mind

    is connected with the unknown. And to me the unknown is

    God, and as far as I am concerned, Satan is included in

    God -- not separate from him. In fact, the mind tends

    to believe that what we dislike must have been done by

    Satan, and that which is not wrong or inconsistent must

    have been done by God. We have assumed ourselves as

    being at the center of life, and we believe that what

    we like is done by God -- that God is serving us. The

    thing we dislike is done by Satan -- that Satan is

    being hostile to us, It is man's ego which has engaged

    not only Satan but also God in its service.


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