Cancer leo love mystery



  • i am a cancerian woman married to a leo man..i love my husband very much but there r always problems between us..and we fight a lot..his coments hurts me a lot..and i feel that he is not bothered about me...he is insensitive..resently we had a major fight...on heat of the moment he told me to leave the house...i packed and was going to leave the house when my in-laws intervane and told me that it is there house and he has no authority to tell me to leave the house...i cried a lot but settled in...from that time we r not talking to each other...and not even sharing the bed..i love him too much and it is hurting me...i am missing him...want to desolve the argument...but on the other hand my ego is not letting me to talk to him..he is also not making any move for peace..my question is what should i do??do i really dnt matter to him??i feel i am not important in his life...he does not love me anymore...neither he care for me the way he used to..



  • Please explain to me what you love about this man, because if you are sticking it out due to the fact that you're married, my advice is, get the heck out of there. Has he ever hit you, this scenario is usually what is followed by physical abuse. Really, come on, you have to realize that you are worth more than what this man is offering you. Men like this can become very violent and dangerous. I know he has probably told you that no one else would ever want you and you are'nt worth a dime, but believe me when I tell you he is actually saying those things to you to make himself feel better about his own worth. DO NOT LISTEN TO ANY OF THE RUBBISH THIS MAN SAYS TO YOU OR ABOUT YOU, IT IS ALL BS. Trust me I know, been there done that. Also, don't fool yourself into thinking you can change him, he is the only one who can change himself. You need to find the strength deep down in your soul to get yourself out of this crazy mixed up marriage. You did not mention your ages, but, truthfully it does not matter if you are in your 20's, 30's, 40's, or 50's, it all adds up to the same thing, you made a bad choice when you chose him, but it is never to late to start again. Please listen to what I am telling you, it could save your life.



  • i am 26 yrs old and have a 9 month baby...moveover i love this man more than myself..so i cant move out....not now...may b someday..



  • I'm a cancer girl and had a leo boyfriend. It didn't work for me... He was also insensitive and self centered, for Leo's it's about them. Cancer's are so sensitive and like to loved and praised and made to feel secure, if someone does that for us...we'll do anything for them. You will grow tried of not getting what you need out of the relationship, that is at least what happened to me.

    Once I woke up one day...which took a while...and thought I'm done with this dude, it was over.

    It shocked him and he tried to make it work but all I could think of was you had your chance. It's better and so much easier to be in a relationship where there is give and take, no relationship is perfect but they have to care about how they make you feel. If he doesn't care about how he makes you feel, and he knows you are sensitive, he'll use your feeling and emotions against you. I understand that you have a baby, but it is so much easier to be with someone that cares about you. You deserve that, really that isn't asking too much...it just may be asking to much of him.

    I don't know if you have a job or an education but if the answer is no to either, then put more work into one of those. Cause trust me, the fact that he asked you to leave already tells me that he is attacking your need to feel secure.

    My mom always used to say..." Lay down and be a door matt, don't be upset when someone walks on you" You teach people how to treat you, even the man you love.

    If you decide to speak to him to work things out, you need to let him know that kicking you out of your home is not acceptable at anytime, I don't care who you live with. I know you love him, and I don't know your relationship...but you should be thinking of what type of relationship you want your child to grow up viewing, cause that is how your child will first see a love relationship. Think about the type of relationship you would want for your child, then that is the type of example you should show your child. Your husband needs to be on board with that as well, if he does care about your feelings, he sure better care about your childs feelings. If not, then you'd better run.

    Best of Luck! Just remember though...even if you love him now...you won't be able to handle someone who doesn't care about your feelings, cancer's are their feeling and emotions...it won't work, sorry Sweetie!



  • Very well said babe500. Littlemoon1, your response to my advise scares the heck out of me, let me tell you why. Your attitude sounds like you think you have a choice in this matter. The ugly truth is you really don't, baby or not, what happens is truly up to your husband. This is ALL due to the fact that you have given up all your power to him. Even if he agrees to stick it out because of the pregnancy, trust me, it won't be long before he leaves or asks you to leave again. I know this is not what you want to hear, but it is the truth.

    Take your power back darn it, and get yourself out in the world and forge your own path. Lots of women in the same sitation have done it thousands of times. Some with children and pregnant. You can and must do this for the sake of the baby. babe500, said it all, read it again and truly listen, open your heart and mind...



  • A few years ago I befriended a woman at work who is married to a Leo. She had been married for 27 years, but the marriage was over after the 1st couple of year. He refused to participate in what it takes to make a marriage/partnership to work because he expected everything to revolve around him and his needs. She tried and tried, but he would just roar out that it was his life and she had no say in it.

    They slept in separate bedrooms for 25 years, lived separate lives and took separate vacations. However, they did put up the appearance of a marriage for HIS family and associates and attended functions together. She tried to leave him a few times, but he would use his dramatics and become so emotionally distressed that rather than deal with it, she would just back down. Life would return to the same, living separate lives. Her parents offered her all the support she needed to leave him, and although she was never physically abused, she was emotionally abused but didn’t recognize it.

    Over the last 3 years or so she reconnected with a childhood friend and started planning her escape. At some point her husband came to realize that she was building up to make the final break and he started planning out their retirement lives together and doing everything possible to keep her from leaving. Too little, too late. She walked away from everything about 2 months ago, but remains in contact with her 2 sons (mid-20’s) who understand her situation completely. Hopefully now she has found the strength to file for a divorce.

    Personally, I have a hard time understanding why she chose to give up on her life, considering as she said she never ever truly felt any love from him. Logically I can understand how someone can get so beaten down that they lose the will to fight and when someone exhibits a fierceness to “keep” someone it can be mistaken for love. This egocentric behaviour is not an indication of love; it’s an indication of controlling behaviour. Be very aware of what his behaviour is saying and if it’s telling you to get out, then don’t waste your time believing that he will change.



  • The sign doesn't matter...losers are born every day, and predators are always out there. This is an article published by a highly respected psychologist. See if there is anyone you know here...

    Introduction

    Very few relationships start on terms other than sweetness and politeness. In the beginning, "the honeymoon" of the relationship, it's difficult to determine what type of individual you are dating. Both you and the date are guarded, trying to obtain information about the other as much as possible without seeming like a police detective.

    Romantic relationships can be wonderful with the right person. A relationship with the wrong individual however can lead to years of heartache, emotional/social damage, and even physical damage. A damaging adult partner can damage us, damage our loved ones, and even damage the way we feel about love and romance in the future. They can turn what is supposed to be a loving, supporting, and understanding relationship into the "fatal attraction" often described in movies. A variety of "bad choices" may be encountered each week — most of which are easy to identify and avoid. We all know to avoid people that appear insane or abusive and not select them as a dating partner. However, some individuals are better at hiding their personality and behavior abnormalities. In an effort to provide some warning about these very damaging individuals, this paper will outline a type of individual commonly found in the dating scene, a male or female labeled "The Loser".

    "The Loser" is a type of partner that creates much social, emotional and psychological damage in a relationship. "The Loser" has permanent personality characteristics that create this damage. These are characteristics that they accept simply as the way they are and not a problem or psychological difficulty. In one sense, they have always lived with this personality and behavior, and it is often something they learned from their relatives/family. Psychologists usually treat the victims of "The Loser", women or men who arrive at the office severely depressed with their self-confidence and self-esteem totally destroyed.

    The following list is an attempt to outline the characteristics of "The Loser" and provide a manner in which women and men can identify potentially damaging relationships before they are themselves severely damaged emotionally or even physically. If your partner possesses even one of these features, there is risk in the relationship. More than three of these indicators and you are involved with "The Loser" in a very high risk relationship that will eventually create damage to you. When a high number of these features are present — it's not a probably' or apossibly'. You will be hurt and damaged by "The Loser" if you stay in the relationship.

    Rough Treatment: "The Loser" will hurt you on purpose. If he or she hits you, twists your arm, pulls your hair, kicks you, shoves you, or breaks your personal property EVEN ONCE, drop them. Male losers often begin with behaviors that move you physically or hit the wall. Female losers often slap, kick and even punch their male partners when upset.

    Quick Attachment and Expression: "The Loser" has very shallow emotions and connections with others. One of the things that might attract you to "The Loser" is how quickly he or she says "I Love You" or wants to marry or commit to you. Typically, in less than a few weeks of dating you'll hear that you're the love of their life, they want to be with you forever, and they want to marry you. You'll receive gifts, a variety of promises, and be showered with their attention and nice gestures. This is the "honeymoon phase" — where they catch you and convince you that they are the best thing that ever happened to you. Remember the business saying "If it's too good to be true it probably is (too good to be true)!" You may be so overwhelmed by this display of instant attraction, instant commitment, and instant planning for the future that you'll miss the major point — it doesn't make sense!! Normal, healthy individuals require a long process to develop a relationship because there is so much at stake. Healthy individuals will wait for a long time and a lot of information before offering a commitment — not three weeks. It's true that we can become infatuated with others quickly — but not make such unrealistic promises and have the future planned after three dates. The rapid warm-up is always a sign of shallow emotions which later cause "The Loser" to detach from you as quickly as they committed. "The Loser" typically wants to move in with you or marry you in less than four weeks or very early in the relationship.

    Frightening Temper: "The Loser" has a scary temper. If your boyfriend or girlfriend blows up and does dangerous things, like driving too fast because they're mad, breaking/throwing things, getting into fights, or threatening others — that temper will soon be turned in your direction. In the beginning of the relationship, you will be exposed to "witnessed violence" — fights with others, threats toward others, angry outbursts at others, etc. You will also hear of violence in their life. You will see and witness this temper — throwing things, yelling, cursing, driving fast, hitting the walls, and kicking things. That quickly serves to intimidate you and cause you to fear their potential for violence, although "The Loser" quickly assures you that they are angry at others or situations, not at you. At first, you will be assured that they will never direct the hostility and violence at you. But they are clearly letting you know that they have that ability and capability — and that it might come your way. Later, you fear challenging or confronting them — fearing that same temper and violence will be turned in your direction.

    Killing Your Self-Confidence: "The Loser" repeatedly puts you down. They constantly correct your slight mistakes, making you feel "on guard", unintelligent, and leaving you with the feeling that you are always doing something wrong. They tell you that you're too fat, too unattractive, or don't talk correctly or look good. This gradual chipping away at your confidence and self-esteem allows them to treat you badly later — as though you deserved it. In public, you will be "walking on eggshells" — always fearing you are doing or saying something that will later create a temper outburst or verbal argument.

    Cutting Off Your Support: In order to control someone completely, you must cut off their supportive friends — sometimes even their family. "The Loser" feels your friends and family might influence you or offer negative opinions about their behavior. "The Loser" begins by telling you these friends treat you badly, take advantage of you, and don't understand the special nature of the love you share with them. In some cases, if they can't get rid of your best same-sex friend, "The Loser" will claim he or she made a pass at them. If you talk to your friends or family, "The Loser" will punish you by asking multiple questions or making nasty accusations. Eventually, rather than face the verbal punishment, interrogation, and abuse, you'll develop the feeling that it's better not to talk to family and friends. You will withdraw from friends and family, prompting them to become upset with you. "The Loser" then tells you they are treating you badly again and you'd be better to keep your distance from them. Once you are isolated and alone, without support, their control over you can increase.

    The Mean and Sweet Cycle: "The Loser" cycles from mean to sweet and back again. The cycle starts when they are intentionally hurtful and mean. You may be verbally abused, cursed, and threatened over something minor. Suddenly, the next day they become sweet, doing all those little things they did when you started dating. You hang on, hoping each mean-then-sweet cycle is the last one. The other purpose of the mean cycle is to allow "The Loser" to say very nasty things about you or those you care about, again chipping away at your self-esteem and self-confidence. "The Loser" often apologizes, but the damage to your self-esteem is already done — exactly as planned.

    It's Always Your Fault: "The Loser" blames you for their anger as well as any other behavior that is incorrect. When they cheat on you, yell at you, treat you badly, damage your property, or embarrass you publicly — it's somehow your fault. If you are ten minutes late for a date, it's your fault that the male loser drives 80 miles per hour, runs people off the road, and pouts the rest of the evening. "The Loser" tells you their anger and misbehavior would not have happened if you had not made some simple mistake, had loved them more, or had not questioned their behavior. "The Loser" never, repeat never, takes personal responsibility for their behavior — it's always the fault of someone else. If they drive like a maniac and try to pull an innocent driver off the highway to assault them — it's actually the fault of the other driver (not his), as they didn't use a turn signal when they changed lanes. They give you the impression that you had it (anger, yelling, assault) coming and deserved the anger, violence, pouting, or physical display of aggression.

    Breakup Panic: "The Loser" panics at the idea of breaking up — unless it's totally their idea, and then you're dropped like a hot rock. Abusive boyfriends often break down and cry, they plead, they promise to change, and they offer marriage/trips/ gifts when you threaten to end the relationship. Both male and female losers may threaten suicide, threaten to return to old sweethearts (who feel lucky they're gone!), or threaten to quit their job and leave the area — as though you will be responsible for those decisions. "The Loser" offers a multitude of "deals" and halfway measures, like "Let's just date one more month!"

    They shower you with phone calls, often every five minutes, hoping that you will make an agreement or see them just to stop the telephone harassment. Some call your relatives, your friends, their friends, and anyone else they can think of — telling those people to call you and tell you how much they love you. Creative losers often create so much social pressure that the victim agrees to go back to the bad relationship rather than continue under the social pressure. Imagine trying to end a relationship and receiving tearful calls from all his or her relatives (they secretly hope you'll keep them so they don't have to), seeing a plea for your return in the newspaper or even on a local billboard, receiving flowers at work each day, or having them arrive at your place of work and offer you a wedding ring (male loser technique) or inform you that they might be pregnant (female loser technique) in front of your coworkers! Their reaction is emotionally intense, a behavior they use to keep you an emotional prisoner. If you go back to them, you actually fear a worse reaction if you threaten to leave again (making you a prisoner) and they later frequently recall the incident to you as further evidence of what a bad person you are. Remember, if your prize dog jumps the fence and escapes, when you get him back you build a higher fence. Once back in the grasp of "The Loser" — escape will be three times as difficult the next time.

    No Outside Interests: "The Loser" will encourage you to drop your hobbies, interests, and involvement with others. If you have an individual activity, they demand that they accompany you, making you feel miserable during the entire activity. The idea behind this is to prevent you from having fun or interests other than those which they totally control.

    Paranoid Control: "The Loser" will check up on you and keep track of where you are and who you are with. If you speak to a member of the opposite sex, you receive twenty questions about how you know them. If you don't answer their phone call, you are asked where you were, what were you doing, who you were talking to, etc. They will notice the type of mud on your car, question why you shop certain places, and question why you called a friend, why the friend called you, and so forth. Some losers follow you to the grocery, then later ask if you've been there in an attempt to catch you in a lie. In severe cases, they go through your mail, look through your purse/wallet, hit your redial on the phone when they arrive, or search through your garbage for evidence. High-tech losers may encourage you to make "private" calls to friends from their residence, calls that are being secretly taped for later reference. They may begin to tell you what to wear, what to listen to in music, and how to behave in public. Eventually, they tell you that you cannot talk to certain friends or acquaintances, go certain places, or talk about certain issues in public. If no date is planned on Friday night, "The Loser" will inform you that they will call you that night — sometime. That effectively keeps you home, awaiting the call, fearing the verbal abuse and questions you might receive if you weren't home for the call. This technique allows "The Loser" to do what they want socially, at the same time controlling your behavior from a distance or a local bar.

    Public Embarrassment: In an effort to keep you under control while in public, "The Loser" will lash out at you, call you names, or say cruel or embarrassing things about you in private or in front of people. When in public, you quickly learn that any opinion you express may cause them to verbally attack you, either at the time or later. If you stay with "The Loser" too long, you'll soon find yourself politely smiling, saying nothing, and holding on to their arm when in public. You'll also find yourself walking with your head down, fearful of seeing a friend who might speak to you and create an angry reaction in "The Loser".

    It's Never Enough: "The Loser" convinces you that you are never quite good enough. You don't say "I love you" enough, you don't stand close enough, you don't do enough for them after all their sacrifices, and your behavior always falls short of what is expected. This is another method of destroying your self-esteem and confidence. After months of this technique, they begin telling you how lucky you are to have them — somebody who tolerates someone so inadequate and worthless as you.

    Entitlement: "The Loser" has a tremendous sense of entitlement, the attitude that they have a perfectly logical right to do whatever they desire. If cut off in traffic, "The Loser" feels they have the right to run the other driver off the road, assault them, and endanger the lives of other drivers with their temper tantrum. Keep in mind, this same sense of entitlement will be used against you. If you disobey their desires or demands, or violate one of their rules, they feel they are entitled to punish you in any manner they see fit.

    Your Friends and Family Dislike Him: As the relationship continues, your friends and family will see what "The Loser" is doing to you. They will notice a change in your personality or your withdrawal. They will protest. "The Loser" will tell you they are jealous of the "special love" you have and then use their protest and opinion as further evidence that they are against you — not him. The mention of your family members or friends will spark an angry response from them — eventually placing you in the situation where you stop talking about those you care about, even your own family members. "The Loser" will be jealous and threatened by anyone you are close to — even your children. In some cases, your parents or brothers/sisters will not be allowed to visit your home.

    Bad Stories: People often let you know about their personality by the stories they tell about themselves. It's the old story about giving a person enough rope and they'll hang themselves. The stories a person tells inform us of how they see themselves, what they think is interesting, and what they think will impress you. A humorous individual will tell funny stories of himself. "The Loser" tells stories of violence, aggression, being insensitive to others, rejecting others, etc. They may tell you about past relationships and in every case, they assure you that they were treated horribly despite how wonderful they were to that person. They brag about their temper and outbursts because they don't see anything wrong with violence and actually take pride in the "I don't take nothing from nobody" attitude. People define themselves with their stories, much like a culture is described by it's folklore and legends. Listen to these stories — they tell you how you will eventually be treated and what's coming your way.

    The Waitress Test: It's been said that when dating, the way an individual treats a waitress or other neutral person of the opposite sex is the way they will treat you in six months. During the "honeymoon phase" of a relationship, you will be treated like a king or queen. However, during that time "The Loser" has not forgotten how he or she basically feels about the opposite sex. Waitresses, clerks, or other neutral individuals will be treated badly. If they are cheap — you'll never receive anything once the honeymoon is over. If they whine, complain, criticize, and torment — that's how they'll treat you in six months. A mentally healthy person is consistent — they treat almost all people the same way all the time. If you find yourself dating a man who treats you like a queen and other females like dirt, hit the road.

    The Reputation: As mentioned, mentally healthy individuals are consistent in their personality and their behavior. "The Loser" may have two distinct reputations — a group of individuals who will give you glowing reports and a group that will warn you that they are serious trouble. If you ask ten people about a new restaurant — five say it's wonderful and five say it's a hog pit — you clearly understand that there's some risk involved in eating there. "The Loser" may actually brag about their reputation as a "butt kicker", "womanizer", "hot temper" or "being crazy". They may tell you stories where others have called them crazy or suggested that they receive professional help. Pay attention to the reputation. Reputation is the public perception of an individual's behavior. If the reputation has two sides, good and bad, your risk is high. You will be dealing with the bad side once the honeymoon is over in the relationship. With severe behavior problems, "The Loser" will be found to have almost no friends, just acquaintances. Emotionally healthy and moral individuals will not tolerate friendships with losers that treat others so badly. If you find yourself disliking the friends of "The Loser", it's because they operate the same way he or she does and you can see it in them.

    Walking on Eggshells: As a relationship with "The Loser" continues, you will gradually be exposed to verbal intimidation, temper tantrums, lengthy interrogations about trivial matters, violence/threats directed at others but witnessed by you, paranoid preoccupation with your activities, and a variety of put-downs on your character. You will quickly find yourself "walking on eggshells" in their presence — fearful to bring up topics, fearful to mention that you spoke to or saw a friend, and fearful to question or criticize the behavior of "The Loser". Instead of experiencing the warmth and comfort of love, you will be constantly on edge, tense when talking to others (they might say something that you'll have to explain later), and fearful that you'll see someone you'll have to greet in public. Dates and times together will be more comfortable and less threatening when totally alone — exactly what "The Loser" wants, no interference with their control or dominance.

    Discounted Feelings/Opinions: "The Loser" is so self-involved and self-worshipping that the feelings and opinions of others are considered worthless. As the relationship continues and you begin to question what you are feeling or seeing in their behavior, you will be told that your feelings and opinions don't make sense, they're silly, and that you are emotionally disturbed to even think of such things. "The Loser" has no interest in your opinion or your feelings — but they will be disturbed and upset that you dare question their behavior. "The Loser" is extremely hostile toward criticism and often reacts with anger or rage when their behavior is questioned.

    They Make You "Crazy": "The Loser" operates in such a damaging way that you find yourself doing "crazy" things in self-defense. If "The Loser" is scheduled to arrive at 8:00 pm — you call Time & Temperature to cover the redial, check your garbage for anything that might get you in trouble, and call your family and friends to tell them not to call you that night. You warn family/friends not to bring up certain topics, avoid locations in the community where you might see co-workers or friends, and not speak to others for fear of the 20 questions. You become paranoid as well — being careful what you wear and say. Nonviolent males find themselves in physical fights with female losers. Nonviolent females find themselves yelling and screaming when they can no longer take the verbal abuse or intimidation. In emotional and physical self-defense, we behave differently and oddly. While we think we are "going crazy," it's important to remember that there is no such thing as "normal behavior" in a combat situation. Rest assured that your behavior will return to normal if you detach from "The Loser" before permanent psychological damage is done.

    Dangerous Versions of "The Loser"

    There are more severe if not dangerous versions of "The Loser" that have been identified over the years. If you are involved in a relationship with one of these versions, you may require professional and legal assistance to save yourself.

    Physical Abuser

    Physical abusers begin the relationship with physical moving — shoving, pushing, forcing, etc. That quickly moves into verbal threats with physical gestures — the finger in the face, clenched fist in the face, and voiced physical threats such as "You make me want to break your face!" Eventually, these combine to form actual physical abuse — hitting, slapping, and kicking. "The Loser" is always sorry the next day and begins the mean-then-sweet cycle all over again. Getting away from physical abusers often requires the assistance of family, law enforcement agencies, or local abuse agencies. Female losers often physically attack their partner, break car windows, or behave with such violence that the male partner is forced to physically protect himself from the assault. If the female loser is bruised in the process of self-protection, as when physically restraining her from hitting, those bruises are then "displayed" to others as evidence of what a bad person the partner is and how abusive they have been in the relationship.

    Psychotic Losers

    There are losers that are severely ill in a psychiatric sense — the movie description of the "Fatal Attraction". Some may tell you wild stories and try to convince you that they are connected to The Mob or a government agency (CIA, FBI, etc.). They may fake terminal illness, pregnancy, or disease. They intimidate and frighten you with comments such as "I can have anyone killed…" or "No one leaves a relationship with me…". If you try to end the relationship, they react violently and give you the impression that you, your friends, or your family are in serious danger. People often then remain in the abusive and controlling relationship due to fear of harm to their family or their reputation. While such fears are unrealistic as "The Loser" is only interested in controlling you, those fears feel very real when combined with the other characteristics of "The Loser".

    Psychotic or psychiatrically ill losers may also stalk, follow, or harass you. They may threaten physical violence, show weapons, or threaten to kill you or themselves if you leave them. If you try to date others, they may follow you or threaten your new date. Your new date may be subjected to phone harassment, vandalism, threats, and even physical assaults. If you are recently divorced, separated, or have recently ended another relationship, "The Loser" may be intimidating toward your ex-partner, fearing you might return if the other partner is not "scared off". Just remember — everything "The Loser" has ever done to anyone will be coming your way. "The Loser" may send you pictures of you, your children, or your family — pictures they have taken secretly — hinting that they can "reach out and touch" those you love. You may need help and legal action to separate from these individuals.

    Guidelines for Detachment

    Separating from "The Loser" often involves three stages: The Detachment, Ending the Relationship, and the Follow-up Protection.

    The Detachment

    Observe the way you are treated. Watch for the methods listed above and see how "The Loser" works.

    Gradually become more boring, talk less, share fewer feelings and opinions. The goal is almost to bore "The Loser" into lessening the emotional attachment, while at the same time not creating a situation which would make you a target.

    Quietly contact your family and supportive others. Determine what help they might be — a place to stay, protection, financial help, etc.

    If you fear violence or abuse, check local legal or law enforcement options such as a restraining order.

    If "The Loser" is destructive, slowly move your valuables from the home if together, or try to recover valuables if in their possession. In many cases, you may lose some personal items during your detachment — a small price to pay to get rid of "The Loser".

    Stop arguing, debating or discussing issues. Stop defending and explaining yourself — responding with comments such as "I've been so confused lately" or "I'm under so much stress I don't know why I do anything anymore".

    Begin dropping hints that you are depressed, burned out, or confused about life in general. Remember — "The Loser" never takes responsibility for what happens in any relationship. "The Loser" will feel better about leaving the relationship if they can blame it on you. Many individuals are forced to "play confused" and dull, allowing "The Loser" to tell others "My girlfriend (or boyfriend) is about half nuts!" They may tell others you're crazy or confused but you'll be safer. Allow them to think anything they want about you as long as you're in the process of detaching.

    Don't start another relationship. That will only complicate your situation and increase the anger. Your best bet is to "lay low" for several months. Remember, "The Loser" will quickly locate another victim and become instantly attached as long as the focus on you is allowed to die down.

    As "The Loser" starts to question changes in your behavior, admit confusion, depression, emotional numbness, and a host of other boring reactions. This sets the foundation for the ending of the relationship.

    Ending the Relationship

    Remembering that "The Loser" doesn't accept responsibility, responds with anger to criticism, and is prone to panic detachment reactions — ending the relationship continues the same theme as the detachment.

    Explain that you are emotionally numb, confused, and burned out. You can't feel anything for anybody and you want to end the relationship almost for his or her benefit. Remind them that they've probably noticed something is wrong and that you need time to sort out your feelings and fix whatever is wrong with you. As disgusting as it may seem, you may have to use a theme of "I'm not right for anyone at this point in my life." If "The Loser" can blame the end on you, as they would if they ended the relationship anyway, they will depart faster.

    If "The Loser" panics, you'll receive a shower of phone calls, letters, notes on your car, etc. React to each in the same manner — a boring thanks. If you overreact or give in, you've lost control again.

    Focus on your need for time away from the situation. Don't agree to the many negotiations that will be offered — dating less frequently, dating only once a week, taking a break for only a week, going to counseling together, etc. As long as "The Loser" has contact with you they will feel there is a chance to manipulate you.

    "The Loser" will focus on making you feel guilty. In each phone contact you'll hear how much you are loved, how much was done for you, and how much they have sacrificed for you. At the same time, you'll hear about what a bum you are for leading them on, not giving them an opportunity to fix things, and embarrassing them by ending the relationship.

    Don't try to make them understand how you feel — it won't happen. "The Loser" is only concerned with how they feel — your feelings are irrelevant. You will be wasting your time trying to make them understand and they will see the discussions as an opportunity to make you feel more guilty and manipulate you.

    Don't fall for sudden changes in behavior or promises of marriage, trips, gifts, etc. By this time you have already seen how "The Loser" is normally and naturally. While anyone can change for a short period of time, they always return to their normal behavior once the crisis is over.

    Seek professional counseling for yourself or the support of others during this time. You will need encouragement and guidance. Keep in mind, if "The Loser" finds out you are seeking help they will criticize the counseling, the therapist, or the effort.

    Don't use terms like "someday", "maybe", or "in the future". When "The Loser" hears such possibilities, they think you are weakening and will increase their pressure.

    Imagine a dead slot machine. If we are in Las Vegas at a slot machine and pull the handle ten times and nothing happens — we move on to another machine. However, if on the tenth time the slot machine pays us even a little, we keep pulling the handle — thinking the jackpot is on the way. If we are very stern and stable about the decision to end the relationship over many days, then suddenly offer a possibility or hope for reconciliation — we've given a little pay and the pressure will continue. Never change your position — always say the same thing. "The Loser" will stop playing a machine that doesn't pay off and quickly move to another.

    Follow-up Protection

    "The Loser" never sees their responsibility or involvement in the difficulties in the relationship. From a psychological standpoint, "The Loser" has lived and behaved in this manner most of their life, clearly all of their adult life. As they really don't see themselves as at fault or as an individual with a problem, "The Loser" tends to think that the girlfriend or boyfriend is simply going through a phase — their partner (victim) might be temporarily mixed up or confused, they might be listening to the wrong people, or they might be angry about something and will get over it soon. "The Loser" rarely detaches completely and will often try to continue contact with the partner even after the relationship is terminated. During the Follow-up Protection period, some guidelines are:

    Never change your original position. It's over permanently! Don't talk about possible changes in your position in the future. You might think that will calm "The Loser" but it only tells them that the possibilities still exist and only a little more pressure is needed to return to the relationship.

    Don't agree to meetings or reunions to discuss old times. For "The Loser", discussing old times is actually a way to upset you, put you off guard, and use the guilt to hook you again.

    Don't offer details about your new life or relationships. Assure him that both his life and your life are now private and that you hope they are happy.

    If you start feeling guilty during a phone call, get off the phone fast. More people return to bad marriages and relationships due to guilt than anything else. If you listen to those phone calls from a little distance, as though you were taping them, you'll find "The Loser" spends most of the call trying to make you feel guilty.

    In any contact with the ex "Loser", provide only a status report, much like you'd provide to your Aunt Gladys. For example: "I'm still working hard and not getting any better at tennis. That's about it."

    When "The Loser" tells you how difficult the breakup has been, share with him some general thoughts about breaking-up and how finding the right person is difficult. While "The Loser" wants to focus on your relationship, talk in terms of Ann Landers — "Well, breaking up is hard on anyone. Dating is tough in these times. I'm sure we'll eventually find someone that's right for both of us." Remember — nothing personal!

    Keep all contact short and sweet — the shorter the better. As far as "The Loser" is concerned, you're always on your way somewhere, there's something in the microwave, or your mother is walking up the steps to your home. Wish "The Loser" well but always with the same tone of voice that you might offer to someone you have just talked to at the grocery store. For phone conversations, electronics companies make a handy gadget that produces about twenty sounds — a doorbell, an oven or microwave alarm, a knock on the door, etc. That little device is handy to use on the phone — the microwave dinner just came out or someone is at the door. Do whatever you have to do to keep the conversation short — and not personal.

    Summary

    In all of our relationships throughout life, we will meet a variety of individuals with many different personalities. Some are a joy to have in our life and some provide us with life-long love and security. Others we meet pose some risk to us and our future due to their personality and attitudes. Both in medicine and mental health, the key to health is the early identification and treatment of problems — before they reach the point that they are beyond treatment. In years of psychotherapy and counseling practice, treating the victims of "The Loser", patterns of attitude and behavior emerge in "The Loser" that can now be listed and identified in the hopes of providing early identification and warning. When those signs and indicators surface and the pattern is identified, we must move quickly to get away from the situation. Continuing a relationship with "The Loser" will result in a relationship that involves intimidation, fear, angry outbursts, paranoid control, and a total loss of your self-esteem and self-confidence.

    If you have been involved in a long-term relationship with "The Loser", after you successfully escape you may notice that you have sustained some psychological damage that will require professional repair. In many cases, the stress has been so severe that you may have a stress-produced depression. You may have severe damage to your self-confidence/ self-esteem or to your feelings about the opposite sex or relationships. Psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, and counselors are available in your community to assist and guide you as you recover from your damaging relationship with "The Loser".



  • Must b a man thing ha ha cos I'm a leo woman involved with a cancer man and as much as i love him i also find him so self centered an sefish its unreal. Its all about him he can be so "woe is me" On the other hand he can also be brilliant, caring and sensitive an looks after me like no one else ever has! when he is happy life is great but omg if some thing goes wrong i'll know about it an then some. luckly there are more good times than bad.



  • now that I know you have a child, what I wrote in your other post is even more important. you need to protect yourself and your child. he can be violent. in temper tantrum, a leo male is hard to contain. maybe you want to stay, but stay only if it's safe for you and your child. I can't say all leo males are like that, for being a leo woman myself, I have gone through hardships caused by other sunsigns including the ones that astrology said are 'nice, loving, intelligent whatever'.

    I don't know what you have done to upset him before all this happened. but if the relationship doesn't seem to go anywhere, don't ever force it. leave as soon as you can. I myself never lasted more than 3 months with anyone. One abuse and that's it I'm gone. I love myself, so much that I don't allow any abuse on me. Now I've been married for 9 years to the sweetest guy I've ever met. If he isn't that sweet, it wouldn't even last a year.

    You did say he wasn't like this. He used to be sweet. but people change, you have to deal with him differently. your life is not your own anymore. there is a child involved. think about it. if you choose to stay, be sure you know how to protect yourself and your child.



  • I want you to know that I have had two significant Leo's in my life, my one child ( a boy) born 8-7-1983 and his father! Crazy huh, two self centered, hard to deal with men. The marriage only lasted 6 years, and when I finally broke it off, he met another women who refused to allow him to have a relationship with his son. He definitely met his match with her, she mentally and PHYSICALLY abused my ex., and come to find out she came close to hurting my son. My son is 26 now and has told me the truth of what being in thier home was like. Anyway, my exe's marriage did not last she dumped him as soon as she found herself a rich doctor to come in and save her day (she did not have to work and traveled to exotic places, something the Leo could not afford to do). The point here is, Leo's are Leo's and although there are some good ones out there, you have to be very careful when you decide to let one in your life.

    None of us can impress upon you enough that your relationship is one sided, you have to experience this for yourself. My only comment is, protect your child and if there is ever a hint of the abuse shifting to the child, you better get the heck out of there, or risk losing him to social services, it can happen.



  • The Mean and Sweet Cycle is true to my leo man...no he is not abusive...if he hurts me he hurts me mentally...which i guess gives more pain than the physical one...its true when ever he is sweet to me i do want to believe that it will last forever...but it dsnt..right now he is in sweet mood again...showering me with love and gifts and compliments...he apologised for his behaviour and said that he was tensed cause of few work pressure...i am glad that he is sweet again...but dnt know for how long will it last...i am still hoping for the best and till the time there is some hope in me i cant move out...lets see


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